Re: Venus Air****ps / by Brad Guth

On May 29, 11:56 pm, Jim Logajan <Jam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> BradGuth <bradg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like
> > to help R&D this rigid air****p anyway?
>
> I think I can offer some guidance.
> (Followups set to the only newsgroup I believe this thread now belongs.)
> There are two resources you should begin with:
>
> This paper:
> "HIGH TEMPERATURE MATERIALS FOR VENUS BALLOON ENVELOPES"
>
> Which you can find online
here:http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstrea=
m/2014/30122/1/95-0417.pdf
>
> And this book, which is the most "modern" text available on the subject
> of air****p design:
>
> "Air****p Technology" Edited by Khoury and Gillett
>
> Available
here:http://www.amazon.com/Air****p-Technology-Cambridge-Aerospac=
e-Khoury/d...
>
> Other books and web sites worth adding to a research library on air****ps
> include:
>
> "Air****p Design" by Burgess
>
> Old but still useful and available
here:http://www.amazon.com/Air****p-Desi=
gn-Charles-P-Burgess/dp/1410211738/...
>
> "Air****p Aerodynamics" By the U.S. War Department
>
> Originally intended for training of Navy air****p personnel but a short
> yet effective guide to basic concepts. Available
here:http://www.amazon.co=
m/Air****p-Aerodynamics-Technical-War-Department/d...
>
> The website of the Experimental Lighter than Air organization:
>
> http://www.xlta.org/
>
> There are a couple of PDF docs worth downloading in the LIBRARY page and
> further links to other sites in the LINKS page (naturally).
>
> Hope some of this helps.

Thanks for all of that constructive and somewhat outdated though
informative but also some of that rather silly balloon s****t feedback,
much of which I've seen dozens of times before.

Once again, seems folks expect little old me to accomplish 100+% of
everything.  I didn't realize that I was thought of as far better than
Einstein that had teams of assistants (aka minions and peers) working
as an intellectual cartel on his behalf.

You do realize this is not an inflated balloon application, as
proposed by Yavrouian, not that efficiently ballooning science
instruments below them thick clouds isn't technically doable,
especially on behalf of the micro electronic packages that involve so
little mass and require such little energy as they outperform their
task in most every aspect.

Starting from scratch, this rigid composite air****p is capable of good
size and substantial payload, and its going to be like nothing ever
before utilized on Earth or any other planet.  The closest analogy of
anything terrestrial is going to be a nuclear submarine, whereas
instead having its Venus buoyancy created by either a vacuum that=92s
easily managed by getting pumped out, or merely displaced from the top
down with the failsafe gas of hydrogen.  I was thinking along the
lines of using rigid/hard composite spheres, arranged into an air****p
format (5 in tandem) that=92s kind of aerodynamically suited to the task
at hand.  This requires more than a simple balloon, especially if
active navigation is incor****ated.
=2E =96 Brad Guth