Re: Venus Air****ps / by Brad Guth

Interesting, as to how the entire DARPA Usenet/newsgroup thing grinds
itself to a bloody halt whenever something really interesting comes
along.

It's as though the Planet Venus is just as DARPA taboo/nondisclosure
rated as is our physically dark moon, so much so that not even the
regular laws of physics nor the best available science can be
discussed without my having to receive more than my fair share of
mainstream status quo flak.

If you'd care to learn more (1-253-8576061), or just to share and
share alike would be kinda nice.
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


On May 31, 11:06 am, BradGuth <bradg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 29, 11:56 pm, Jim Logajan <Jam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > BradGuth <bradg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you
like
> > > to help R&D this rigid air****p anyway?
>
> > I think I can offer some guidance.
> > (Followups set to the only newsgroup I believe this thread now
belongs.)=

> > There are two resources you should begin with:
>
> > This paper:
> > "HIGH TEMPERATURE MATERIALS FOR VENUS BALLOON ENVELOPES"
>
> > Which you can find online
here:http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstr=
eam/2014/30122/1/95-0417.pdf
>
> > And this book, which is the most "modern" text available on the
subject
> > of air****p design:
>
> > "Air****p Technology" Edited by Khoury and Gillett
>
> > Available
here:http://www.amazon.com/Air****p-Technology-Cambridge-Aerosp=
ace-Khoury/d...
>
> > Other books and web sites worth adding to a research library on
air****ps=

> > include:
>
> > "Air****p Design" by Burgess
>
> > Old but still useful and available
here:http://www.amazon.com/Air****p-De=
sign-Charles-P-Burgess/dp/1410211738/...
>
> > "Air****p Aerodynamics" By the U.S. War Department
>
> > Originally intended for training of Navy air****p personnel but a short
> > yet effective guide to basic concepts. Available
here:http://www.amazon.=
com/Air****p-Aerodynamics-Technical-War-Department/d...
>
> > The website of the Experimental Lighter than Air organization:
>
> >http://www.xlta.org/
>
> > There are a couple of PDF docs worth downloading in the LIBRARY page
and=

> > further links to other sites in the LINKS page (naturally).
>
> > Hope some of this helps.
>
> For some odd reasons this reply of mine wasn't getting posted to all
> of the intended groups.  So, here's one more time for the oldGuth
> gipper.
>
> Thanks once again for all of that constructive and only somewhat
> outdated though informative leads, but also some of that rather silly
> balloon s****t feedback has its place, much of which I've seen dozens
> of times before.
>
> It seems folks expect little old me to accomplish 100+% of
> everything.  I didn't realize that I was being thought of as far
> better than Einstein that had teams of assistants (aka minions and
> peers) working as an intellectual cartel on his behalf.
>
> By way of expressing rigid composite should suggest this is not an
> inflated balloon application, as proposed by Yavrouian, not that
> efficiently ballooning science instruments below them thick clouds
> isn't technically doable as relatively cheap, especially on behalf of
> the micro electronic packages that involve so little mass and require
> such little energy as they outperform their task in most every aspect.
>
> Starting from scratch, this custom rigid composite air****p is capable
> of good size and substantial payload, and its going to be like nothing
> ever before utilized on Earth or any other planet.  Perhaps the
> closest
> analogy of anything terrestrial is going to be a nuclear submarine,
> whereas instead having its Venus buoyancy created by either a vacuum
> that=92s easily managed by way of getting CO2 pumped out, or merely
> displaced from the top down with the failsafe gas of hydrogen.  I was
> thinking along the lines of using rigid/hard composite spheres,
> arranged into an air****p format (5 in tandem) that=92s kind of
> aerodynamically suited to the task at hand.
>
> This application requires more than a simple balloon, especially if
> active flight and navigation is incor****ated.
> . =96BradGuth