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Re: 2 recent incidents

by "Bill Daniels" <bildan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 25, 2008 at 09:02 PM

"Gary Emerson" <emerson_gary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> How many more of those we need till we conclude that the rudder
>> waggle does NOT work?
>
> I think this is a reasonably valid point.  There HAVE been a number of 
> people who have misunderstood this signal.
>
> Perhaps something else would be better.  The question is what signal
would 
> be a good replacement.  You could have fla****ng lights on the towplane, 
> perhaps mounted just above the towhitch.  The only thing is you'd
probably 
> have to install two lights.  Say one yellow and one red.
>
> Yellow means you've got a problem, but if you can get it fixed pretty 
> quick we'll keep going.  Red means get off now or I'm gonna dump you.
>
> If you don't have two signals, I'd bet that we'd still have people 
> releasing when they didn't have to.
>
> As I think about it, it might be best if there was a single array of
high 
> output LEDs.  When both "colors" of the array are "on" then you have a 
> single visible color that means "ok" (red and blue make green in
concept, 
> but in emitted light that combination doesn't work).  That way the
glider 
> pilot can verify at the start that both signals "work" and they stay
"on" 
> for the duration of the tow.  If either the "warning" or "get off" 
> switches are selected in the cockpit then only the corresponding "color"

> is then visible to the glider pilot.  Perhaps with the "warning" being a

> steady signal and "get off" being a rapid flash to help with fast 
> recognition and a sense of urgency.
>
> Other thoughts?

The tuggie should condiser if a signal is needed.  If they are climbing in

spite of open spoilers the best option is to wait until the glider could 
release and land safely before wagging the rudder.  A premature rudder wag

may have caused some of these incidents.

I wouldn't neccessarilly say radio is the simplest option.  If a pilot
can't 
remember to close the spoilers, or notice that they are open, could he 
operate a radio and fly a glider at the same time?

High brightness LED's are a really simple idea.  Some tuggies could use
them 
as turn signals.

Bill D
 




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2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-25 16:17:18 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 17:04:42 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-25 19:27:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Gary Emerson <emerson_  2008-06-25 20:07:02 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-25 21:02:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-25 23:07:36 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-06-26 09:51:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-26 06:00:35 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jack <jack_hallett@[EM  2008-07-17 00:35:08 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 18:21:24 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 20:33:15 
Re: 2 recent incidents
RRK <richardkaleta@[EM  2008-06-25 21:06:53 
Re: 2 recent incidents
John Smith <john@[EMAI  2008-06-26 14:20:32 
Re: 2 recent incidents
R <Nospam@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-06-26 16:25:04 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Beckman <jamesbeck  2008-06-27 13:12:54 
Re: 2 recent incidents
unclhank@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-26 07:32:41 
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John Smith <john@[EMAI  2008-06-26 19:19:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-06-26 08:25:43 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Marc Ramsey <marc@[EMA  2008-06-26 09:12:52 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Bob Whelan <rfwhelan@[  2008-06-26 11:20:02 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-26 12:34:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-26 09:10:30 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"kirk.stant" &l  2008-06-26 10:24:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 10:44:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
ZZ <zzuluzulu@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 17:47:04 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"BT" <bNOtiz  2008-06-26 18:49:03 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 21:52:35 
Re: 2 recent incidents
ZZ <zzuluzulu@[EMAIL P  2008-06-27 08:14:50 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-27 14:49:47 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Tinpilot <ed@[EMAIL  2008-06-27 21:57:54 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Tinpilot <ed@[EMAIL  2008-06-27 22:57:53 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Nigel Pocock <nigelpoc  2008-06-27 16:57:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-06-27 08:31:08 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Beckman <jamesbeck  2008-06-28 12:27:51 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ed Downham <remove_to_  2008-06-29 09:57:49 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-27 14:18:50 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Eric Greenwell <flyguy  2008-07-04 18:12:22 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ian <ian.no@[EMAIL PRO  2008-06-28 00:06:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Lavajava@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-29 18:46:59 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-07-17 08:11:11 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Don Johnstone <gpnet2@  2008-07-17 21:41:42 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Martin Gregorie <marti  2008-07-18 15:05:59 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Cats <ramwater@[EMAIL   2008-07-18 07:16:05 

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