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Re: 2 recent incidents

by "Bill Daniels" <bildan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM

"Bob Whelan" <rfwhelan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:UdmdnRy3OdTuUv7VnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> jb92563 wrote:
>>> As I think about it, it might be best if there was a single array of
>>> high output LEDs.  <Details snipped...>
>>>
>>> Other thoughts?
>>
>> People will misunderstand lights just as easily as a rudder waggle.
>>
>> Its a training issue and they just need to know what the signal means
>> by practice.
>>
>> <Details snipped...>
>>
>> Lights fail, radios fail, tow plane electircal systems fail and a Wag
>> or a Rock will still communicate with a glider on tow.
>>
>> The signal system works just fine, its just that the receivers of the
>> signal are learning something new to them and sometimes
>> mistakes are made.
>>
>> We should start a thread on Pilot Mistakes, and you can be sure there
>> will be 1000 hr pilots making entires there as well.
>>
>> Ray
>
> Panacea fixes...what a panacea it would be if a few of them actually 
> worked.  (WARNING: Dry humor nearby.)
>
> Some pertinent realities...
> - Perfection is never an option.
> - Panacea fixes aren't.
> - Thought processes matter.
> - Training is good, too.
>
> Here's a thought process that has worked for me...so far.  Being fairly 
> simple-minded, I struggle with remembering rules for rules' sake.  I 
> compensate by a reasonably decent ability to remember WHY certain 
> rules/guidelines/suggestions exist...and I seek to prioritize things I
DO 
> remember.  (I care little about remembering trivia; I care a LOT about 
> remembering 'im****tant stuff.')
>
> Here's a couple of soaring examples:
> 1) Visual tow signals (work all the time, unless being towed in
[*really*] 
> hard IFR) - In life and death terms, a strong argument can be made that 
> only one need be remembered, the wing-rock signal.  None of the others
are 
> indicative of (immediately) life-threatening (to you or the tuggie) 
> situations.
>
> Can't remember what a rudder waggle (or any other 
> arcane/new/untrained-for/yet-to-be-devised) signal is for?  No problem! 
> It's NOT the dreaded wing-rock...so no precipitate action is necessary. 
> Heck, you could even turn on the radio and ask, if your Embarrassment 
> Quotient hasn't been exceeded on that particular tow.
>
> 2) Landing pattern mistakes - THE one boo-boo practically guaranteed to 
> kill you in a landing pattern is the inadvertent stall/spin.  I deal
with 
> that not by trying to remember all of the books'-worth of advice out
there 
> (mostly useful and sensible and germane), but by a combinatorial thought

> approach: a) Kid(s) - don't DO that (i.e. the inadvertent uncoordinated 
> pattern stall)!!! b) Pay attention to Rule a).
>
> Everything else rule-based falls out in the wash...requisite pattern 
> speed, requisite pattern coordination, requisite pattern pattern, etc...
>
> 3) Soaring-in-general - Soaring is real safe as long as you don't hit 
> anything (hidden assumption...that you don't want to hit).
>
> For what it's worth, I can't recall learning any of the above from any
of 
> my (generally excellent) instructors (and the comment is not intended to

> be in any way derogatory or condescending).  Nevertheless, I'm happy
with 
> the (36-year) results-to-date.  I did yank off on my (sole) wing-rock 
> received.  I haven't inadvertently stalled in the pattern.  I haven't 
> inadvertently hit anything I wasn't already intentionally aiming at.
>
> Nor have I (yet) seen a rudder waggle...but if I DO see one, I'm pretty 
> certain I'm not going to yank off for mis-interpretational reasons...
>
> Respectfully,
> Bob - VRAM-limited - W.As usual, Bob

As usual, Bob's views are sensible and entertaining.

As a slight fork of this thread, what happened to "guarding" the spoiler 
handle?  For as long as I can remember, I've positioned my left hand so it

will block spoilers opening on takeoff.  (It works, I've caught a few 
students attempting takeoffs with the spoilers unlocked.)  That position
is 
also near the release knob which can be useful in student takeoffs.

As a further fork, when I owned an IS28b2 Lark, the little blue plastic 
spheres that served as spoiler knobs disintegrated.  I searched the
Internet 
for a replacement and found blue anodized gear****ft knobs at AutoZone -
two 
to the bubble pack.  (Why would anyone want two gear****ft knobs?)  Anyway,

they fit perfectly and looked really cool.

Except that on a winch launch, the acceleration would cause the heavy 
gear****ft knobs to unlock the spoilers - oops!  The aluminum knobs got 
replaced with custom made plastic ones.

Final thought, if you are going to undertake winch launch, learn to lock
the 
spoilers as part of the cockpit check - there's nobody up front to offer a

helpful signal.

Bill D
 




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2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-25 16:17:18 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 17:04:42 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-25 19:27:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Gary Emerson <emerson_  2008-06-25 20:07:02 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-25 21:02:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-25 23:07:36 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-06-26 09:51:28 
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nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-26 06:00:35 
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Jack <jack_hallett@[EM  2008-07-17 00:35:08 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 18:21:24 
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Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 20:33:15 
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RRK <richardkaleta@[EM  2008-06-25 21:06:53 
Re: 2 recent incidents
John Smith <john@[EMAI  2008-06-26 14:20:32 
Re: 2 recent incidents
R <Nospam@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-06-26 16:25:04 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Beckman <jamesbeck  2008-06-27 13:12:54 
Re: 2 recent incidents
unclhank@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-26 07:32:41 
Re: 2 recent incidents
John Smith <john@[EMAI  2008-06-26 19:19:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-06-26 08:25:43 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Marc Ramsey <marc@[EMA  2008-06-26 09:12:52 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Bob Whelan <rfwhelan@[  2008-06-26 11:20:02 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-26 12:34:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-26 09:10:30 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"kirk.stant" &l  2008-06-26 10:24:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 10:44:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
ZZ <zzuluzulu@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 17:47:04 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"BT" <bNOtiz  2008-06-26 18:49:03 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 21:52:35 
Re: 2 recent incidents
ZZ <zzuluzulu@[EMAIL P  2008-06-27 08:14:50 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-27 14:49:47 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Tinpilot <ed@[EMAIL  2008-06-27 21:57:54 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Tinpilot <ed@[EMAIL  2008-06-27 22:57:53 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Nigel Pocock <nigelpoc  2008-06-27 16:57:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-06-27 08:31:08 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Beckman <jamesbeck  2008-06-28 12:27:51 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ed Downham <remove_to_  2008-06-29 09:57:49 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-27 14:18:50 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Eric Greenwell <flyguy  2008-07-04 18:12:22 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ian <ian.no@[EMAIL PRO  2008-06-28 00:06:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Lavajava@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-29 18:46:59 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-07-17 08:11:11 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Don Johnstone <gpnet2@  2008-07-17 21:41:42 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Martin Gregorie <marti  2008-07-18 15:05:59 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Cats <ramwater@[EMAIL   2008-07-18 07:16:05 

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