On Jun 26, 5:47=A0pm, ZZ <zzuluz...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Ramy wrote:
> > Two recent incidents which all sounds too familiar and we can all
> > learn from them:
>
> > 1 - Another spoilers out/rudder waggle resulting in premature release
> > - How many more of those we need till we conclude that the rudder
> > waggle does NOT work? What happened to radio communication?
> >http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=3D20080603X00777&key=3D1
>
> > 2 - Another restricted control due to unsecured item. I bet this
> > caused more accidents then we know of.
> >http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=3D20080606X00809&key=3D1
>
> > Ramy
>
> I favor the rudder waggle because it works IF the pilot is and remains
> properly
> trained.
> I was not involved in this pilot's training and I did not witness
> the accident but I spoke to the involved pilot within 2 hours of the
> event. This pilot, with a Commercial Glider certificate, admitted that
he
> misinterpreted the rudder waggle (confused it with the rock off). This
> seems to be a common
> mistake in our s****t. It is likely that on the day that he received his
> Commercial Glider rating he would not have made this error but
> subsequent training, the Flight Review, plus his own personal endeavors
> to remain current, if any, clearly failed.
>
> The only mandatory review of these procedures is the flight review. I
> have begun a personal vendetta against this problem not only in training
> new glider pilots but during all Flight Reviews. I urge all CFIGs to
> emphasize this problem and I offer a couple of suggestions...
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1. During the oral, instead of discussing the check
glide=
r signal and
> the rock off separately, I treat them as a pair of similar signals =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> which must be considered together to appreciate the distinction between
> them.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2. Just as we tell our students that a rope break or
rock=
off can
> happen on any flight, I stress that a check glider signal =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 can also
> occur on any flight and to be ready for all three on every launch.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 3. Show the student both signals on the same flight. I
in=
struct the tow
> pilot to show the check glider signal at a safe altitude so if =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the
> student releases by mistake, the recovery is not difficult. Then on the
> same flight, the tow pilot rocks the glider off just below the
=A0planned
> release altitude. Feedback from the students and pilots in for a BFR has
> been positive, most stating that seeing both on =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=
=A0 =A0 the same flight really
> underscored the difference for them.
>
> These simple ideas are not revolutionary and you fellow CFIGS are
> probably doing this routinely now. I think if we all work a little
> harder on this one, I suspect we can make a serious contribution in
> lowering the incidence of this problem.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul Corbett
> ZZ
Since you know the details of this incident, any ideas if there was an
attempt to use the radio first and if it was neccessary to waggle the
rudder at low altitude? Or are we just going to continue blame pilots
who missinterpret the signal?
Ramy
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