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Re: 2 recent incidents

by jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 27, 2008 at 08:31 AM

On Jun 25, 4:17=A0pm, Ramy <ryan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Two recent incidents which all sounds too familiar and we can all
> learn from them:
>
> 1 - Another spoilers out/rudder waggle resulting in premature release
> - How many more of those we need till we conclude that the rudder
> waggle does NOT work? What happened to radio
communication?http://www.nts=
b.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=3D20080603X00777&key=3D1
>
> 2 - Another restricted control due to unsecured item. I bet this
> caused more accidents then we know
of.http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?=
ev_id=3D20080606X00809&key=3D1
>
> Ramy

With all the options available I just think that releasing on a wrong
signal is due to stress, loss of concentration and wanting to react by
rote instead of reasoning out the situation and problem that may
exist.

As we know taking a little time to figure out what is going on is OK
since the TOW plane can likely release you at will if things get
critical for him.

Even when I see a wing rock I quickly evaluate if there is a problem
before deciding to release, ie airspeed, climb rate, hazards, spoilers
etc so I can decide for myself if it was turbulence or truly a wing
rock.

The tow pilots have all confirmed that if they had a serious issue
they would release me even without a wing rock if they needed to.

I think using all options on hand to communicate is a great idea and
the radio is a pretty good way to transmit a message, then of course
you should use what ever you have at your disposal.

Again I simply state that if a rudder wag meaning can be forgotten
then so can any other kind of signal so what could you use in its
place that people could more easily remember?

I suppose a scrolling LED sign like a billboard perhaps but that just
does not seem practical ;-)

Ray
 




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2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-25 16:17:18 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 17:04:42 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-25 19:27:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Gary Emerson <emerson_  2008-06-25 20:07:02 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-25 21:02:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-25 23:07:36 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-06-26 09:51:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-26 06:00:35 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jack <jack_hallett@[EM  2008-07-17 00:35:08 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 18:21:24 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-25 20:33:15 
Re: 2 recent incidents
RRK <richardkaleta@[EM  2008-06-25 21:06:53 
Re: 2 recent incidents
John Smith <john@[EMAI  2008-06-26 14:20:32 
Re: 2 recent incidents
R <Nospam@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-06-26 16:25:04 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Beckman <jamesbeck  2008-06-27 13:12:54 
Re: 2 recent incidents
unclhank@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-26 07:32:41 
Re: 2 recent incidents
John Smith <john@[EMAI  2008-06-26 19:19:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-06-26 08:25:43 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Marc Ramsey <marc@[EMA  2008-06-26 09:12:52 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Bob Whelan <rfwhelan@[  2008-06-26 11:20:02 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-26 12:34:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Darryl Ramm <darryl.ra  2008-06-26 09:10:30 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"kirk.stant" &l  2008-06-26 10:24:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 10:44:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
ZZ <zzuluzulu@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 17:47:04 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"BT" <bNOtiz  2008-06-26 18:49:03 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-26 21:52:35 
Re: 2 recent incidents
ZZ <zzuluzulu@[EMAIL P  2008-06-27 08:14:50 
Re: 2 recent incidents
"Bill Daniels"   2008-06-27 14:49:47 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Tinpilot <ed@[EMAIL  2008-06-27 21:57:54 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Tinpilot <ed@[EMAIL  2008-06-27 22:57:53 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Nigel Pocock <nigelpoc  2008-06-27 16:57:55 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-06-27 08:31:08 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Jim Beckman <jamesbeck  2008-06-28 12:27:51 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ed Downham <remove_to_  2008-06-29 09:57:49 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ramy <ryanetz@[EMAIL P  2008-06-27 14:18:50 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Eric Greenwell <flyguy  2008-07-04 18:12:22 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Ian <ian.no@[EMAIL PRO  2008-06-28 00:06:28 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Lavajava@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-29 18:46:59 
Re: 2 recent incidents
jb92563 <jb92563@[EMAI  2008-07-17 08:11:11 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Don Johnstone <gpnet2@  2008-07-17 21:41:42 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Martin Gregorie <marti  2008-07-18 15:05:59 
Re: 2 recent incidents
Cats <ramwater@[EMAIL   2008-07-18 07:16:05 

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