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Re: Mechanics of Elevator Trim. In Detail.

by Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 10, 2008 at 05:09 PM

Tina wrote:
> One point about the lift fairy sitting on the tail I'd like to
> understand is this  -- actually a serious question. As I understand
> it, nearly aways the tail is exerting a downward force, since the
> center of lift is aft of the center of gravity on general aviation
> airplanes (that is true, isn't it -- that the cg is forward of the
> center of lift?). If so the tail really is imposing an increased load
> on the airplane, adding to its effective weight.  The question I have
> is, how many pounds of weight is imposed aerodynamically for an
> airplane that might be loaded with its CG at the forward limit? I
> don't know where the center of lift is on ga airplanes -- a third of
> the way aft of the leading edge of the wing is an ok approximation,
> but a few inches error on an airplane weighing what ours does at max
> could make a huge change in the required force to overcome the nose
> heavy moment.

A rule of thumb is that the force on the horizontal tail
is 5 to 10 per cent of the wing lift. This translates
to a loss of 10 to 20 per cent of the raw gross lift
availbale from the horizontal airfoils.

> I'm obviously thinking about increased efficiency -- extra weight
> added because of either fat people, full fuel, or aerodynamically
> imposed, all cost horsepower (OK, watts for you purists) to move
> around.

This is the reason why modern military aircraft are designed
aerodynamically unstable, and the electronic gnomes of the
flight control system have to work all they can do.

The loss of gross lift is the proce to pay for simple and
safe longitudinal stability.

-- 

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi
 




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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-07 22:08:12 
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WingFlaps <Moreflaps@[  2008-06-08 02:18:58 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-12 05:08:08 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-12 19:57:16 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-12 09:43:07 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-12 19:58:50 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-12 21:53:32 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 09:38:06 
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thor  2008-06-08 12:05:51 
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Michael Henry <michael  2008-06-09 12:17:24 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-08 09:07:16 
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Buster Hymen <BusterHy  2008-06-08 18:12:56 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 10:20:56 
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thor  2008-06-08 15:29:24 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-08 10:21:01 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 10:24:10 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 10:28:56 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 18:25:34 
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Rich Ahrens <rma@[EMAI  2008-06-08 16:16:26 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 21:25:06 
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More_Flaps <Moreflaps@  2008-06-08 14:22:12 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 21:24:26 
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More_Flaps <Moreflaps@  2008-06-08 14:39:18 
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Rich Ahrens <rma@[EMAI  2008-06-08 17:46:40 
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Marty Shapiro <News@[E  2008-06-09 00:14:50 
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terry <tfmann@[EMAIL P  2008-06-08 14:40:27 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 15:31:34 
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terry <tfmann@[EMAIL P  2008-06-08 15:52:02 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 16:03:16 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-08 16:06:07 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 18:25:18 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 20:54:52 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 04:21:25 
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Gezellig <geezellig@[E  2008-06-09 04:21:08 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 21:01:14 
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Andy Hawkins <andy@[EM  2008-06-09 08:26:19 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 22:24:07 
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Stealth Pilot <notrans  2008-06-09 21:21:34 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 14:15:39 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 22:34:29 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 07:25:00 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 16:34:41 
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"Maxwell" <l  2008-06-09 12:06:54 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 08:58:14 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 09:34:33 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 16:58:26 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-09 13:19:33 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 09:38:43 
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Andy Hawkins <andy@[EM  2008-06-10 08:28:34 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-09 10:07:47 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 11:06:10 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 11:07:43 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-10 09:16:17 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 11:31:33 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-10 09:13:43 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 11:36:02 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-09 15:30:56 
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More_Flaps <Moreflaps@  2008-06-09 12:20:19 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 14:27:04 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 16:19:29 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 20:18:42 
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"Maxwell" <l  2008-06-09 23:30:33 
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"BDS" <skyhi  2008-06-10 06:04:17 
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"Peter Dohm" &l  2008-06-10 10:45:10 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 20:48:35 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 21:12:54 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-10 09:14:53 
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Bob Noel <ihatessppaam  2008-06-10 06:14:25 
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"Peter Dohm" &l  2008-06-10 10:32:30 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-09 22:28:20 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 22:29:58 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-10 07:44:25 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-10 08:29:45 
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Tauno Voipio <tauno.vo  2008-06-10 17:09:16 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-10 10:22:27 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-13 11:02:35 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-13 21:23:06 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-10 11:24:39 
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Gezellig <nokonihi@[EM  2008-06-11 18:31:14 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-14 00:33:00 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-14 15:26:14 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-22 01:17:08 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-11 03:28:05 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-11 20:05:04 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-15 16:18:37 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-22 01:19:03 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-14 21:14:47 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-15 13:30:29 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-15 16:34:37 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-15 20:42:57 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-15 21:16:50 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-16 08:08:26 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-16 09:27:43 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-16 09:42:04 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 10:55:13 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 11:10:36 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-06-16 21:43:53 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 11:33:26 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-16 14:47:13 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 20:51:33 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-16 22:57:30 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-17 19:23:49 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 09:10:12 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-18 13:12:16 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 13:17:18 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-18 16:01:06 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-18 21:35:02 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 14:22:00 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-18 16:46:41 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-18 18:56:57 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 21:37:35 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-19 05:05:03 
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pappson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-19 06:26:20 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 07:40:55 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 09:14:18 
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"Allen" <ha_  2008-06-19 13:15:54 
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John Smith <jsmith@[EM  2008-06-20 18:28:16 
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pappson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-19 09:16:46 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 09:20:33 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-19 09:43:44 
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"BDS" <skyhi  2008-06-19 13:15:30 
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pappson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-19 10:42:50 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 11:01:39 
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"BDS" <skyhi  2008-06-19 14:29:11 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 11:11:26 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 12:01:55 
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"Allen" <ha_  2008-06-19 16:35:57 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 12:19:18 
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Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-19 15:13:12 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-19 13:32:19 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 13:41:51 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 13:44:33 
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pappson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-19 14:01:30 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 15:30:14 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 18:02:11 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-19 20:38:42 

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