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Re: Mechanics of Elevator Trim. In Detail.

by Bertie the Bunyip <AA@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 12, 2008 at 07:57 PM

Tina <tbaker27705@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:54595019-a2b0-413e-aea8-
414ce92238c4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>>
>> Yes, the time my son spent with canard aircraft brought out all sorts
>> of interesting information about canards and the history of trying to
>> scale up Rutan's original concept Beech Star****p.  The smaller true
>> canards like the Long-eze are pretty good aircraft.  However there is
>> a reason why we don't see large (six plus passenger) true canards.
>> It's the relation****p between CG, fuel load, payload and range.
>> Apparently in the scale up process there is a point where it is no
>> longer practical.
>>
>> Ron Kelley
> 
> Would it not also be true that passive stability is not as im****tant
> in larger modern airplanes? I would guess (again, I admit being
> ignorant of the realities) that adding a 10% aerodynamically induced
> increased load on bigger aircraft would be avoided for efficiency
> reasons? It might be better to have enough fly by wire and computer
> induced stability instead.  I don't know enough about this stuff to
> even find the back of an envelope, let alone do a calculation there.
> 

Yeah, that's one of the main reasons they're going for FBW. An aft cg also

improves buffet margins and allows a higher cruise altitude because of 
that. Some airplanes pump fuel aft after takeoff to bring the CG well aft.

Even ones that aren't FBW. you have to have the autopilot engaged to 
utilise this feature though. 


Bertie
 




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Mechanics of Elevator Trim. In Detail.
Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-07 22:08:12 
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WingFlaps <Moreflaps@[  2008-06-08 02:18:58 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-12 05:08:08 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-12 19:57:16 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-12 09:43:07 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-12 19:58:50 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-12 21:53:32 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 09:38:06 
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thor  2008-06-08 12:05:51 
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Michael Henry <michael  2008-06-09 12:17:24 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-08 09:07:16 
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Buster Hymen <BusterHy  2008-06-08 18:12:56 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 10:20:56 
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thor  2008-06-08 15:29:24 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-08 10:21:01 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 10:24:10 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 10:28:56 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 18:25:34 
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Rich Ahrens <rma@[EMAI  2008-06-08 16:16:26 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 21:25:06 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 21:06:28 
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More_Flaps <Moreflaps@  2008-06-08 14:22:12 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-08 21:24:26 
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More_Flaps <Moreflaps@  2008-06-08 14:39:18 
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Rich Ahrens <rma@[EMAI  2008-06-08 17:46:40 
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Marty Shapiro <News@[E  2008-06-09 00:14:50 
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terry <tfmann@[EMAIL P  2008-06-08 14:40:27 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 15:31:34 
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terry <tfmann@[EMAIL P  2008-06-08 15:52:02 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 16:03:16 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-08 16:06:07 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 18:25:18 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 20:54:52 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 04:21:25 
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Gezellig <geezellig@[E  2008-06-09 04:21:08 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 21:01:14 
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Andy Hawkins <andy@[EM  2008-06-09 08:26:19 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-08 22:24:07 
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Stealth Pilot <notrans  2008-06-09 21:21:34 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 14:15:39 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-08 22:34:29 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 07:25:00 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 16:34:41 
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"Maxwell" <l  2008-06-09 12:06:54 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 08:58:14 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 09:34:33 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-09 16:58:26 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-09 13:19:33 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 09:38:43 
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Andy Hawkins <andy@[EM  2008-06-10 08:28:34 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-09 10:07:47 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 11:06:10 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 11:07:43 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-10 09:16:17 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 11:31:33 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-10 09:13:43 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 11:36:02 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-09 15:30:56 
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More_Flaps <Moreflaps@  2008-06-09 12:20:19 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 14:27:04 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 16:19:29 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 20:18:42 
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"Maxwell" <l  2008-06-09 23:30:33 
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"BDS" <skyhi  2008-06-10 06:04:17 
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"Peter Dohm" &l  2008-06-10 10:45:10 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 20:48:35 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-09 21:12:54 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-10 09:14:53 
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Bob Noel <ihatessppaam  2008-06-10 06:14:25 
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"Peter Dohm" &l  2008-06-10 10:32:30 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-09 22:28:20 
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"Robert M. Gary"  2008-06-09 22:29:58 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-10 07:44:25 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-10 08:29:45 
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Tauno Voipio <tauno.vo  2008-06-10 17:09:16 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-10 10:22:27 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-13 11:02:35 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-13 21:23:06 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-22 01:12:51 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-10 11:24:39 
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Gezellig <nokonihi@[EM  2008-06-11 18:31:14 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-14 00:33:00 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-14 15:26:14 
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Tina <tbaker27705@[EMA  2008-06-11 03:28:05 
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Ron <ron@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-11 20:05:04 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-15 16:18:37 
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Bertie the Bunyip <AA@  2008-06-22 01:19:03 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-14 21:14:47 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-15 13:30:29 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-15 16:34:37 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-15 20:42:57 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-15 21:16:50 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-16 08:08:26 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-16 09:27:43 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-16 09:42:04 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 10:55:13 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 11:10:36 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-06-16 21:43:53 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 11:33:26 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-16 14:47:13 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-16 20:51:33 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-16 22:57:30 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-17 19:23:49 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 09:10:12 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-18 13:12:16 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 13:17:18 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-18 16:01:06 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-18 21:35:02 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 14:22:00 
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Gig 601Xl Builder <wrg  2008-06-18 16:46:41 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-18 18:56:57 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-18 21:37:35 
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jimp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-19 05:05:03 
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pappson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-19 06:26:20 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 07:40:55 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 09:14:18 
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"Allen" <ha_  2008-06-19 13:15:54 
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John Smith <jsmith@[EM  2008-06-20 18:28:16 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 09:20:33 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-19 09:43:44 
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"BDS" <skyhi  2008-06-19 13:15:30 
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pappson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-19 10:42:50 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 11:01:39 
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"BDS" <skyhi  2008-06-19 14:29:11 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 11:11:26 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 12:01:55 
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"Allen" <ha_  2008-06-19 16:35:57 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 12:19:18 
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Jim Logajan <JamesL@[E  2008-06-19 15:13:12 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-19 13:32:19 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 13:41:51 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 13:44:33 
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Le Chaud Lapin <jaibud  2008-06-19 15:30:14 
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Dan_Thomas_nospam@[EMAIL   2008-06-19 18:02:11 
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"Ken S. Tucker"  2008-06-19 20:38:42 

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