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The Wronger Bernoulli etc

by Tom Sanderson <tdscanuck@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 30, 2007 at 06:05 PM

>    I choose not to teach the circulation theory to my students because I
> don't think it exists in the manner the term suggests it does.  I 
> understand
> what people are trying to explain by using the term "circulation" 
> (basically
> upwash and downwash),

Circulation theory of lift and upwash/downwash are different things.  A 2D

airfoil doesn't have any upwash but still has circulation.

> but because the airflow does not circulate completely
> around the wing in a uninterupted circular fa****on round and round (it 
> stops
> at the stagnation points on the leading and trailing edges) I personally
> think the term "circulation" is misleading and even confusing.

You only need circulation theory when you assume inviscid flow. 
Circulation 
theory can't be explained with physical intuition because it's not a 
physical thing...it's a math trick put in to correct for the fact that 
you're ignoring viscosity, compressibility, time-variance, and a bunch of 
other stuff to try to simplify the Navier-Stokes equations.

>    I am no engineer, but my current opinion is that Bernoulli's theory 
> only
> explains how the airflow accelerates over the top of the wing AS A
RESULT 
> OF
> the reduced pressure.  Not vice versa.

Correct.  In order to get a stable flow field around the airfoil, you have

to have a low pressure area near the back of the wing.  Bernoulli
correctly 
describes what's happening to the streamline, but isn't the cause.

> The reduced pressure over the upper surface, caused by a positive angle
> of attack, causes the airflow to accelerate and the airflow's
> viscosity/coanda effect causes it to follow the upper surface beyond the
> trailing edge where the high velocity airflow continues off the wing in
a
> downward motion in the form of the downwash which lifts the airplane.

Coanda effect doesn't cause anything...it's a description (like
Bernoulli), 
not a cause.  Viscocity doesn't do it either (the air is not "stuck" to
the 
wing).  It's the pressure field that causes the air to follow the airfoil 
surface.

> What do you all engineers think of the site?

It's pretty good.  Better than most I've seen.  It does make some physical

whoopsies (you can't pull on air, for example): "Air is pulled from
above". 
It's explanation of the Coanada effect is completely bogus.  They use the 
illustration of water flowing over a glass...this looks like the Coanada 
effect, but the physical are totally different.  Air does not stick to the

airfoil surface.

Tom.
 




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The Wronger Bernoulli etc
Tom Sanderson <tdscanu  2007-01-30 18:05:23 

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